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My pastor just finished teaching about Song of Solomon! It should be rated NC17! If you truley understand what some of the sentences say, you would understand why I am saying this!

By  Webmaster, at 1:03 AM  

Yeah, I read it again last night...it's kind of...suggestive.

By  Kathryn, at 9:25 AM  

*laughs* I was just about to say the same thing, but my bro beat me to it. Great minds think alike. Or crazy minds think alike, eh, Jer? Yeah, Song of Solomon would have to be rated NC-17.

Although I wouldn't recommend dabbling too much into the sexual tension of this book at your ages -- Jer and Katy -- just focus on the symbolism... I know, I know... when I was 13, my friends and I would just read it and giggle or say eeewww. Of course, I didn't get much of it because I hated boys at that age. Just ask Jer.

By  Carey, at 1:08 AM  

EEEEEEW! Boys have COOTIES! =D Just kidding...

By  Kathryn, at 9:28 AM  

Hahahaa... yeah. Just keep thinking that. Although, my take is that boys are covered in germs, bacteria, and Lord knows what else. Always have Purel handy when boys are near. LOL

By  Carey, at 5:32 PM  

No, really, in all seriousness - the human love described in SoS is what most people can only dream of. That kind of beauty and depth in a human relationship... you read SoS, and it's like... WOW. I don't know how else to describe it and will not get all flowery and poetic right here and now. But's it's - I'm sure - one of the most wonderful gifts. And just think - that's only a picture of Christ's love for us! The deepest human love pales in comparison with the love our heavenly Bridegroom has for us!

By  Carey, at 10:57 PM  

Umm, isn't Song of Solomon the book where the brother rapes his sister??

Also, boys do not "have cooties" actually, boys are very fun to be with and be affectionate with and to fall in love with. if you're reading Song of Solomon- you realize what an important part of a relationship that full blown passionate love can be.

you'll enjoy it...i promise. why do people pretend that sex is such a bad thing? it isn't. its pretty amazing and awesome actually.

By  Anonymous, at 10:04 AM  

Anonymous...ABSOLUTELY NOT! King Solomon did not rape his sister! In the generation we live in, the topic on "Sex" is generally taboo, when it comes to parents and kids talking about it. About the "Guys are fun to be around, be affectionate with, and fall in love with." My answer to that is, just wait on Gods timing, and let him bring the right man to you, instead of trying to find him yourself. I tried that with a girl & completely blew it!

By  Webmaster, at 12:54 PM  

Oh please....if you like a girl, ask her out....maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

Amnon and Tamar - didn't he rape his sister? oh wait - that's the book of Samuel. Well anyway, there's lots of sex in the bible. so clealry, its not "wrong"

By  Anonymous, at 1:45 PM  

Sex in the context of the holy union of marriage is not wrong. God meant for a husband and wife to enjoy each other. When sex is misused outside of marriage, things will go wrong -- you can see examples of this over and over again in the Bible. The Lord calls us to purity:

Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God; for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality. (1 Thessalonians 4:1-3)

In Jeremy's case, he was much too young to begin a serious relationship. Jer is only 15 and the girl is 13. One should not be quick to begin a romantic relationship if s/he is not ready for the responsibility that comes along with it. So many young people make that mistake.

There's so much more than just "liking" someone and asking him/her out. Sure, there will be people you are physically and initially attracted to, but the person's character is what holds -- and character holds because that person mirrors Christ, Who never changes.

"Liking" someone is merely a shallow attraction that passes quickly, but a love based on the Lord Jesus Christ is the deepest and most beautiful love. Christ's love is more fulfilling than man's definition of love:

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails... (1 Corinthians 13:4-8)

You don't merely "ask someone out" because you "like" him/her, but you simply watch and wait. You watch that person for a long period of time to see how s/he relates to parents, siblings, friends, how s/he serves in the church, etc. "Jumping the gun" never helped anyone. Then you wait on God's timing.

The LORD is good to those who wait for Him, to the soul who seeks Him. It is good that one should hope and wait quietly for the salvation of the LORD. It is good for a man to bear the yoke in his youth. Let him sit alone and keep silent, because God has laid it on him; let him put his mouth in the dust — there may yet be hope. (Lamentations 3:25-29)

By  Carey, at 5:23 PM  

well, too bad for you carey - because sex kissing and holding hands with boys is awesome, and it feels good. and if its a monogomous relationship it may lead to marriage. if not, you learn from the relationship and move on. Sex, is wonderful...its a shame you don't experience it. you won't be prepared for your future husband, and you'll both miss out on lots of different positions.

And liking someone is NOT a shallow attraction. You can love someone very deeply and not be married to them.

and let me get this straight - you think you should essentiall "stalk" someone? "watch how they interact"? I say, you experience it together.

so what? you pick the bible stories you like and ignore the ones you don't?

By  Anonymous, at 10:42 PM  

Please keep in mind that there are minors who own and read this blog.

I will be prepared for my future husband because: (1) I am obeying God by keeping myself pure (2) I am saving sex for my husband only - that is a precious gift (3) my husband will have maintained the same standards of purity and saved himself for me. It's that simple.

No, I am not saying you stalk someone. Life should be lived like an open book for the world to see. There is no need for "stalking."

Obviously, we both have very different views on sexuality and there is nothing I can do to make you see my point of view -- neither is there anything you can say to make me change my mind.

But please, I ask that you tone these comments down because of the young audience. And please be nice. I'm not looking for an ugly confrontation.

By  Carey, at 11:05 PM  

so what? you pick the bible stories you like and ignore the ones you don't?

What I was saying is that every relationship you read about in the Bible that was outside of God's plan had its problems. The relationship focused on in the Song of Solomon was done within God's plan for a courtship, marriage, and then sexuality. The passion is incredible, but it is rooted in the Lord.

By  Carey, at 11:12 PM  

I'm so relieved you're here to explain this to me and this anonymous, Carey, I'd be lost.

I am old enough, however, to know that sex outside of marriage is WRONG any way you sugarcoat it. I know I won't "miss out" on anything by waiting. I respect my future husband enough, even though I don't know him yet, to save myself for him. I hope he feels the same.

And Carey's right-I'm a minor, I'd much appreciate it if you toned down your side of the discussion.

I feel extremely feircely about my opinions and no one's going to change them. If sex before marriage is what it takes to be "cool", I'll be a social outcast. If worse comes to worse I'll move closer to Carey, she'll always be my older sister in Christ, I have no doubt she'll keep me on track. ;3

By  Kathryn, at 12:31 AM  

"so what? you pick the bible stories you like and ignore the ones you don't?"

Too bad it's not that easy. ;)

By  Kathryn, at 12:32 AM  

"My answer to that is, just wait on Gods timing, and let him bring the right man to you, instead of trying to find him yourself."

Well said! *applauds* You're almost as good as Carey. Watch out, Carey, you got competition. ;)

By  Kathryn, at 12:34 AM  

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By  Webmaster, at 1:27 AM  

Anonymous, Carey is right; sex is NOT to be used out of marriage. It should be reserved only for your future mate and NO ONE ELSE! I disagree with you about going out and randomly having sex with the opposite gender. That only depletes your honor, integrity, and character! As an Eagle Scout, I live by the Scout Oath, Law, & Motto!
Scout Oath: On my honor, I will do my best to do my duty to God and my Country, to obey the Scout Law, to help other people at all times, to keep my self physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.
Scout Law: A Scout is trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave, clean, and reverent.
Scout Motto: Be prepared!
THIS is what all men should be! This is what I base my life on, and what is in the Bible. I highly value my relationship with a righteous, patient, loving, & HOLY God! If you only trust and believe in His name, you can have eternal life & spend eternity in paradise! I no longer fear death because I know once I get to Heaven I will see God face to face, and He will say, “Well done my faithful servant.” And I will live in a golden palace! There will be no death, no disease, no sorrow, no hunger, no temptations, no violence, no sin, and no darkness! I feel sorry for you, for this shall be your demise:

This is just a small taste of what Hell is like:
Revelation 21:8
However, the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
This is but a small vision of what Heaven looks like:
Revelation 21:18-21

The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, the fifth sardonyx, the sixth carnelian, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of pure gold, like transparent glass
Now, which sounds better, spending eternity in paradise, or spending eternity in Hell? PLEASE, I do not want you to go to Hell! I would FAR rather see you in paradise! Make your decision wisely! If you would like to talk more on this subject, I would be more then willing to help you!

By  Webmaster, at 1:43 AM  

Oh wow, Jer. You made me cry. Praise the Lord He was given you such wisdom at your age! I am proud to call you my brother.

Anonymous -- sex outside of marriage is sin.

"Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God." (Romans 6:12)

"Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:17)

Revelation 21:8 says, "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."

The Lord God Whom I serve is a holy God. He cannot allow sin into His presence. Sin separates all men from God.

"For I am the LORD your God. You shall therefore consecrate yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy." (Leviticus 11:44a)

"Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised..." (Psalm 48:1a)

"Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at His footstool — He is holy." (Psalm 99:5)

"People shall be brought down, each man shall be humbled, and the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled. But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness." (Isaiah 5:15-16)

The Bible describes all men as being "dead in sin," meaning we cannot save ourselves from Hell, nor can we ever be good as God. Jesus Christ made the payment for your sins by dying on the cross and rising three days later to conquer death and sin.

"Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures." (1 Corinthians 15:3b-4)

"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." (Romans 3:23)

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)

"But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe." (Galatians 3:22)

"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?" (Romans 6:16)

Jesus Christ was the Son of God who came to live the perfect life among men.

"For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." (2 Corinthians 5:21)

"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh..." (Romans 8:1-3)

Acts 16:31 says, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." Jesus Christ Himself said "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." (Luke 5:32) I am not some goody-goody beating you over the head with a Bible. I myself was once headed straight for Hell until I came to know the saving grace of the Lord, and I want you to be able to know Him too. "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9) The Lord is merciful -- that is why He sent His only Son to die for our sins (John 3:16).

"Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need." (Hebrews 4:14-16)

By  Carey, at 7:34 AM  

BTW, Katy I am soooo proud of you too! Praise the Lord He has given you the conviction to save sex for marriage. He will bless you for your commitment. Keep it up! You go girl!

By  Carey, at 7:35 AM  

YEAH, JEREMY! *tackles* You go, brother!

By  Kathryn, at 9:35 AM  

<3 Thanks, Carey. I know it won't be easy, but I have no doubt that God will help me.

By  Kathryn, at 9:36 AM  

Just walk closely with the Lord. That's all the advice I can give you. It can be a lonely road to travel, but it will be worth it just to hear "well done, good and faithful servant."

By  Carey, at 8:09 PM  

No sex outside of marriage is NOT a sin. Not if you are in a committed relationship with another person. i am not suggesting to go out and have casual sex with random people....I am saying if you are in a committed loving relationship, sex is fine. AND more importantly, it is FUN. My point is that you learn a lot about men, emotions, relationships, and yes, sex, by being in relatinoships with men before you are married. AND sexual combatibility is very important.

Also - all those Bible verses are just stories. The Bible is no different than Greek mythology. It is a shame that you miss out on all that life has to offer because you limit yourself.

Also - You don't need to have sex to be cool. that is not my point. My point is you are letting yourself miss out something that is enjoyable. its your loss, in other words.

By  Anonymous, at 9:37 PM  

Anonymous, please stop. I don't need to be brought down.

By  Kathryn, at 10:43 PM  

The Bible clearly defines extramarital and premarital sex as sin. Plain and simple.

But when you challenge the authority and validity of the Bible, you have yourself yet another problem. There is no set of absolute standards, so of course anything goes.

The Bible is not on parr with Greek mythology, and I'll tell you why...

The Bible claims over and over to the be divinely inspired Word of one God. Greek mythology is a random collection of stories about dieties with human tendencies. The God of the Bible is holy and totally unlike man (refer to the verses in my last comment).

"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16) The Bible is God-breathed and claims to be so. Greek mythology makes no such claim.

I could continue to debate Bibliology with you, Anonymous, but the Lord must open your eyes to the truth. My words cannot change your heart, but my God can. Only ignorant people compare the Bible with mythologies. Study all of those mythologies and the Bible thoroughly, then come back to me and say "The Bible is no different than Greek mythology."

If I didn't save sex for marriage, I'd miss out on something much better than sex - the blessing of God. I'm going to wait and obey the Lord. You are the one who is missing out on the greatest love relationship known to man -- that of the Lord Jesus Christ.

By  Carey, at 10:47 PM  

Thanks Carey - but i prefer the love of real men, here and now that I can see and touch and feel. I don't believe that Jesus Christ was anything other than a troubled human being.

Greek mythology is exactly like Bible stories. The ancient Greeks simply believed in multiple gods as opposed to one single God. They prayed to their gods and honored them in the same way you pray to your God and honor him.

I don't see any difference actually....and I have read the Bible, both in church and in college literature and religion courses.

I will continue to be in committed relationships, and enjoy the physical aspects that come along with it. If I am loved, i will love a man back.

By  Anonymous, at 11:12 PM  

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By  Webmaster, at 9:08 AM  

Anonymous, the Bible is NOTHING like Greek mythology! For your sake, I hope that you will be saved later in your life! Please, if your words are not edifying, exhorting, or comforting DO NOT SAY THEM!

By  Webmaster, at 9:10 AM  

Anonymous, what is your definition of "love"?

By  Carey, at 10:07 AM  

wow - tough question. that's a tough concept to define....

but I guess i would say this:

to have mutual respect, mutual consideration, mutual honor and sense of duty and offering support and comfort and really being there to encourage and rely on each other...in a way that is held between two people, with the intent that the love be shared monogomously.

By  Anonymous, at 10:25 PM  

And how long does this last?

By  Carey, at 7:55 AM  

WOW!!!
I guess I should back check these posts.

If you really think that sex outside of marrage is not a sin,
no matter how commited,
Check out the story of David and Bathsheeba.

By  TheEarthCanBeMoved, at 11:39 AM  

*prods Jason* Yeah, you should. xD

Good point, Carey, you can have a crush on someone, go out with them, say you love them, but will it really be forever?

By  Kathryn, at 9:29 PM  

It won't last forever. Eventually those flowery feelings will go away and you need something of deeper substance to hold it together. Love is more than just that "lah lah" feeling (which will only last you a few months). It's more like a state of mind, if you will -- deeply rooted in Christ. It is 1 Corinthians 13. Love isn't all feelings (though emotions do play a part) -- Love is a decided action. [Oh, that reminds me of a post I did last October.] It's saying "I care enough about you to encourage you in your walk with the Lord. I want you to love the Lord more than me. This isn't about me." -- not "Oh you're a great person, I think I like you, blah blah blah."

LOVE...
...suffers long
...is kind
...does not envy
...does not parade itself
...is not puffed up
...does not behave rudely
...does not seek its own
...is not provoked
...thinks no evil
...does not rejoice in iniquity
...rejoices in the truth
...bears all things
...believes all things
...hopes all things
...endures all things

And more often than not, this doesn't necessarily lead to marriage or anything of the sort, but the Lord commanded us to love our neighbor. This is the love Jesus had for us, and this love we must have for all men so that we may lead them to the Lord. There is no other love out there like this. "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven."

By  Carey, at 8:06 AM  

Let me know that next time this ananymous guy shows up again.
I think it's the same guy I've worked with before.

By  TheEarthCanBeMoved, at 11:50 AM  

love lasts as long as you want it to.

By  Anonymous, at 9:40 PM  

Anonymous that is not true. Love does not simply "last" as long as you want it to! You cannot make a guy love you no matter how hard you try! Besides, most American couples marry and brake up in a couple of months because the "love" and sexual attraction has run out. However, if you base your relationship on Biblical principles, your love for your mate will never run out. In a truly Biblical marrage, you will only love your partner more as both of you get older, instead of becoming tired of them and looking for the next person.

By  Webmaster, at 4:22 AM  

Amen little bro! "Love never fails." (1 Cor 13:8)

By  Carey, at 1:24 PM  

Anonymous, you said that you'd rather have tangible "love," but when I asked you what your definition of "love" was, you found it difficult to define. Truth is, without the Bible, love is impossible to define. Love - God = nothing. Without God in the equation, "love" is a meaningless word that can mean anything you want. It becomes a relative term instead of a sacred, concrete word. We get the order mixed up -- we think it's ME + another person. That never works. According to the Bible, love is God, the other person, and then yourself. Love is selfless.

What I'm trying to say is that because I believe that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God and everything He says is true, I have a clearly defined view of love -- and I know this love on a personal level because Christ loves me.

Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother. (1 John 4:7-21)

Anonymous, I pray that someday you too can experience this love.

By  Carey, at 11:39 PM  

Whoa, I feel out of the spin now. Sorry it's been so long.

You go, Jeremy! Whoa.

By  Kathryn, at 11:45 PM  

I think Anonymous finally got tired of us quoting scripture after scripture!
Anonymous, please come again if you want to argue any more theology!

By  Webmaster, at 8:59 AM  

That's what will happen. You just keep combatting with the sword of the Spirit! The Word of the Lord is as sharp as a two-edged sword. It serves you well in battle.

By  Carey, at 9:40 AM  

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